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tv   Quadriga - Germanys Refugee Row Can Merkel Survive  Deutsche Welle  June 21, 2018 11:30pm-12:01am CEST

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and the continent of africa on the move stories about a motivational change makers are taking their destinies into their own hands w.'s new multimedia series for. d w dot com africa on the move. cologne a very warm welcome indeed to quadriga coming to you from the heart of berlin and this week the focus is on german chancellor angela merkel who truly house her back to the wall everyone is asking how long can europe's longest serving leader cling onto office and with the latest ructions over germany's and europe's immigration policy is facing an ultimatum from her powerful interior minister calls a whole first says bring back a european solution from the brussels summit at the end of the month or else he
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will go it alone that issue a unilateral order for police to start turning away refugees from germany's border as so question here on quadriga germany's refugee row can survive and to discuss that question i'm joined in the studio by three journalists who will be following this story very beginning with pascal t. ball berlin correspondent for audio from santa ana. pascal believes that merkel's crisis will only bring france and germany closer together the struggling chancellor is dependent on support from paris also with us is alan posner a regular columnist for the berlin daily deal fellows he says once again magical has defeated an opponent by giving him just enough rope to hang himself whole sinkhole for all the talk but couldn't. find a very warm welcome to turn his albright head of the opinion section at another burning paper. and a believes angela merkel is
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a survivor but she is now at the mercy of europe's populist and i let me begin with you it's been described as the biggest crisis of the merkel years that is surely no exaggeration now it is not very deep crisis though we have talked about. rice is far and. is he has always survived this show and i think she still has a chance to get out of this one decently i think there is a possibility for compromise but yet both macca and feel far in it with all they have with their very causes of political existence so i think it is it is very true giants in the late stages of their political careers ellen you are right to devote newspapers i've said as a columnist but you've already had a piece that you've all also had a piece in the week to get in the guardian in the u.k. this week saying no one can deny that until americans coalition is in trouble how
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deep is the trouble well. it is in trouble but i don't think the trouble is as deep as it's made out to be i think there's a you could say in a way that's a whole phenomenon playing good cop bad cop. bad cop good cop not being the good cops the whole being the being the bad cop but essentially pulling on the same rope if you see if you see it i mean because well look firstly. talking about rope zero for gave me. an ultimatum to come around to his position or he would impose border controls unilaterally by last monday monday came and went and nothing happened except that the over extended his ultimatum to to two weeks to get the courage of his conviction he says yes he's already climbed down and he hasn't really said if you don't get what i want i will do that he has said he will be back . well people say that don't they he's climbed down he's proved that he's really
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just a cuddly teddy bear and not a roaring lion horses a hole for a cuddly teddy bear yeah he has that kind of look doesn t. sort of this sort of shambling. going to go is this a crisis about her i'm glad merkel's coalition government is a crisis about i'm going to merkel or is it a crisis about the future of europe both i think there is a crisis in this coalition i think this coalition is a crisis since in its birth that's my its birth that's my impression. because it was so difficult and it's quite it's quite obvious that they are going i think to struggle during four years if it's if this government last for four four years and it's aggressive of course in europe because it's probably the it's the most important present since the financial and economical president the end of the of the last decade and these time the victim could possibly be merkel we'll see if
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it's possible for it's almost it's incredible how much she has to saw over the next week on the next ten days if issue we'll find a compromise with some partners but the situation is worse than it was with populist parties in in some governments in europe so it's. it's almost an impossible mission mission impossible you said this week you broke a lunch for angela merkel i married you said she deserves our respect just explain a little bit more why she deserves our respect. i think she is us finally giving in to being a populist party or at least performing populist strategies and that is pretending there still is a crises and pretending there still is in the norm especially there is a crisis what crisis i mean the numbers only go right yes yes now but it's not official crises because they have created it because the numbers. asylum seekers
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have been going down with the turkey deal and other measures strengthened in front takes in the mediterranean working with the libyan coast guard. the refugees are actually pushed back behind the mediterranean so she has created. time to discuss and find a strategy with the european partners it's going to take time and now she's in a very bad position because now she has to find a solution within two weeks and i like the idea of them playing good cop bad cop but i think it's rather hurting her position to discuss and negotiate with the european partners which are very difficult as we know you don't buy this on a well i think you know if she goes if it goes to some european partners she doesn't have to go to the mall because you know the visit grad states basically aren't part of the equation they don't take interviews anyway they want to don't have any outside borders so she was yes to basically deal with austria really
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france belgium and so on and and just. i lie and i lie and in my call on she has allies in belgium and holland and she can say to the italians look i've got this. far a dragon breathing down my neck. help me and then they'll say ok how much are you going to pay to fork up in some way you have to pay more because she's under enormous pressure and we see that now with my call and the common european budget that maybe she has to put in some more so he helps her keep the migrants that. they were when you say paper payments cash payments are we talking about payments from germany or pay imposed payments from european union funds. you know i mean the payments not in the literal sense with when when she comes to terms with italy somebody else about taking the migrants back there might be payments involved to help people are beginning to talk about this yeah they're comparing it with i think
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she also said in the press conference was my call on tuesday is she spoke in a very light way about financial compensation. like italy because we heard in the meantime the. interim minister and in italy salvini doesn't want him. back and so maybe the way to let him accept them is to give him some money it could be probably a way on sunday in brussels to to achieve a compromise with a conference ok things have now certainly come to a head but the only mostly between anglo-american interior minister a whole city hall for that we've been talking about goes back a long way let's just get a glimpse of how acrimonious it is be. the rift between hundred american and horse symbols for began to develop in twenty fifteen when the american government opened to germany's poor one million refugees. we've done so much we can do this with only
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because this is a huge undertaking. which is now been exacerbated by this decision in china news spreads quickly around the world here so yes new home pay to write we can do this on so i can only repeat the system is collapsing. the dispute has now escalated which is a hopeless demand to turn refugees away. that's what we think that as a country at the heart of your enemies and turning people back at all borders without consultation could lead to a negative domino effect that could have a job and a chance in the saga of our say that if there are no such effects i am determined to enforce ensure that migrants must be turned back at our borders and sort of. what does hospice a whole for really want stricter asylum laws or to topple the chancellor. stricter asylum laws or toppling the chancellor alum what to what those who say who for really want neither no no no look he says. in your reports this is about
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turning my back at the border first it's not about turning certain groups of migrants back those who have applied for asylum in germany been turned down a and those who've been registered in other countries both as we speak being turned back already and have been turned back for a long time this year alone sent back to to roll in austria the province of to rolly or seven hundred people who fall into this category we send back albanians in by the thousands because they don't have enough money with them or because their passport is not biometrically aligned with european laws this happens all the time so i demand this it's happening and it's going to go on happening it's all it's like when the big at the height of the refugee crisis when a million came in he said i demand. a limit of two hundred thousand refugees we now don't even have two hundred thousand refugees coming every year so he has this big
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sort of arm demanding this but actually he's again he's more or less a cuddly bear you know its bark is much much worse than his bite prasco cuddly bear he may or may not be but he has delivered an ultimatum to the german chancellor what's going on here the minister albeit a senior minister it's putting the gun to the head of the german chancellor being quoted as saying i told to work with that woman any longer what is going on it's quite incredible especially in the german political me i would i would maybe. maybe we could hear such remarks maybe not a countries which are not social stable like germany so it's a bit surprising for some somebody coming from france but i think it shows also how difficult a relationship but we are we speak also about about symbols i think we have already read heard about the figures i think zeal for needs to show.
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stronger politics for me gratian but i think there is a lot of symbolic in is politics and also because of the situation in bavaria because of the elections in october and because of the concurrence of the right wing party has and. so i think. quite a lot is is also quite a lot of its political also a show but of course for the e-mail it churns little resistance or you know if this was soccer people talk about soccer a lot these days people would be saying it's a grudge match their host over to me bears a grudge against i'm going to go from the way she behaved towards him and with him in twenty fifteen but then you have it's not just the cuddly bath you know you know lots of men bear grudges against an american and up till now she's managed to serve off the sea off every single one of them. that you know there was a german there was
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a cowboy western movie which was called in german russian frost on zion vague bodies plaster his his path back to market and the office going to be the next come on he's not going to get what he wants. but if i could hear your drawing right. he's not the only one i wouldn't just cut it down to the makah. antagonism if the whole party that's behind and other people in the party like the last two and i'll extend a tobin. he said and they are pushing him they are pushing the poor cuddly bear to go after mackerel and sitting in bavaria munich and laughing their heads off so i suppose it's a generational change in conservative politics in germany and so for my money it's a process there's a new political culture emerging on the conservative side of german politics yeah i mean you can see it in the in the conservative in the very about there's also
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groups within the christian democratic union pushing for more conservative politics and of course this has something to do with the right wing party we have and the bundestag they're very determined particularly do but and and others to win back those votes from the f.d.a. and they quote strauss all the time there should not be. there in leader who there should not be a party right off the christian democratic union or if the varian branch and that's what they are going after and i think they really believe that and i think they just belong to them and they want them back and of course there's something ok so effective revolution yes some have and i don't think the group i don't know for bavaria but within the christian democratic union i think this is a minority group there they're not that large and right now the party is still behind i'm going to mecca as we have seen in. in the meetings of the caucus at the
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oneness talk and other meetings they're still backing her. but yes there is the process of change and we see the face. is that are coming up like against bond for example who do want another young great young man of conservative politics of them thirty seven years old i think you say yeah health minister talks about his possible chance of the material come on come on really. start let's go are the rather right wing populists taking over in europe they sense that they've got the wind at their backs now yeah that's true we can see it in several countries in germany they are in the parliament as we have already heard there are did take part at the government in austria in italy. and they have also they have also had some successes in order countries so it's also assigned that probably the
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european idea he is not convincing the people that national solutions are for more people in europe the better way to solve problems i think it's an error of course but that the very problematic solution and of course it's a big responsibility for our leaders to show it is possible to find your business but what but for the me gratian topic it is it is almost impossible i mean we have these we have these differences big differences between the western european countries and eastern european countries and we have also difficulties especially with italy with new government with the right wiggle them and not willing to to accept for example the mignons which because of the dublin agreement should go back to italy so. it's a national card if we can you can use this expression is
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is plays a very great role that nowadays incidentally i wonder allan was the. new right want . down a quote from the c.s. used mark asserter we've been talking about markers are from the from bavaria very conservative he called this week for the all he described this is the end of the era of orderly multi-lateralism translated and this is not just semantics that seems to mean to me that what he is propagating is the beginning of an era of on ordinary on orderly unilateralism that is a whole sea change that is a move away from the post war consensus liberal values based politics or what i think he means meant. though with difficult to say what i think he meant was within europe the idea that europe moves so to speak in lockstep it's obvious that that
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not the case no one wants to join the eurozone anymore for instance because they see what happened to greece and in the young gary and leading a revolt against migration with a visit grad group of four who are meeting today i think. with the austrians by the way to combine their policies to coordinate their anti immigration policies on the other hand as the if you will old e.u. but there again some differences so what so what we're seeing is that instead of the e.u. deciding something. together you have different groups within the deciding things that is not disorderly unilateralism that is. slightly disorderly. four five six speed europe but it's it's still possible i mean that's the way it goes you're not going to get a united europe the way it was before we announced these that's not going to happen
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donald trump waded into the debate this way what did you make and sometimes. i you could see it as an attempt to destabilize terminally and overthrow until i'm back i don't think it was that he tweeted it and i think it was largely. the major reason was the internal problems he has with the huge backlash against the policies of separating families at the mexican border so he has done it before and he has often pointed to europe as. for it for the illustration of failed migration policies done that pointing to sweden yes the need to pointing to germany before and i think that's just covering his hardline which there are serious voices here in europe who are saying look we've got this growing from the far right populist opinion across europe and one and you've got a bloody mayor putin at the other and you've got donald trump that looks like
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a threatening scenario for livered liberals yes it is and i mean the american ambassador to germany has said he wants to promote conservative movements in germany and has pointed to quotes but it was very obvious from his wording that he was meaning the right wing populist to so this is there is an alignment between those groups i just something that's what trump hinted at with his tweet ok well earlier this week french president emanuel mccrone and german chancellor angela merkel met for talks in the german government guesthouse north of berlin commentators say that the two leaders are more dependent on each other than ever before micron needs merkel for his ambitious plans to press ahead with a more federal europe merkel needs mccrone to come up with a plan european migration solution. do you still trust in the medical access that they will effect save the liberal europe.
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we are. france and germany are two countries among twenty seven or twenty eighth or nine hundred for the eurozone so it's much more difficult than it was in the past for these two to impose compromises and it's more difficult not only because of the number of the member states but also because of the divisions we have already talked about in the european union and in the eurozone but if there are no or if the if michael and merkel don't make proposals we'll make them so i think what they achieved in mezzeh bear is a compromise more eurozone leaders especially with the with the budget for the zone it was a very important. symbol or measure for my queen not going to be
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a huge budget yeah we don't know exactly but probably had but we see and that's why of that was also we we didn't get given they didn't say how much this budget will be because because because it's there are still difficult to find a compromise between france and germany and now adays because of the migration problem marital needs more than in the past the support of france we have a situation between the two countries which we absolutely did contrary than it was fifteen fifteen months ago with a weak french bob fosse well along the way the situation in which it was impossible malas to have come on proposals and now we have my call becoming more or less the leader of the integrated europe medical which is the. two week partner. who need in our days the support of france i don't know what's going to
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happen next in german politics you got a pretty sort of strict timetable now we've got the brussels. coming up i'm not going to it's a make or break for summer darts at least what is being suggested what happens next . i i don't know what where the whole and very are heading for i don't know how crazy they are aware that they really want to push it to the door they want to they have an alternative i think there will be a compromise i think he would accept what. negotiates by naturally with italy hopefully and others so both get what they want you will be able to turn away more people at the border she would have a european solution and i think that they will try to move on. that's exactly. as us they've. already lost it's just a question of saving face. by the way if you saw them both yesterday there was this celebration of. or anniversary of about about refugees from german
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refugees from from the east and so on and not based on comfortably next to each other but this battle got enormous applause from the assembled political and cultural elites of germany and she has this behind her back and see who for as an outsider and he'll have to climb down. yeah i think i'll go into the crystal ball. we will see if zero four is able to survive politically as a minister after the bavarian elections may be you has to resign or not but i think also it is more or less. symbolic for person but i think he's already more or less is an old older man and i think probably you will he will sometime leave the political scene in the world in. maybe with more time to play with the thrain in his house at home another another
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film title from out of his evil for the walking dead. i noticed you talked in the guardian item that i thought i quoted earlier you talked about what has the what has been in germany you described as a wagnerian got to demba wrong friends if this were just taken by about because you know i mean we journalists we live sort of two to two to. the end of the world and great crisis and so on every time this happens and i'm jumping on it now finally the end of course some day it's going to be the end of machall i mean she doesn't not going to see going to rain forever long to reign over us that's the british national defense and that's not ours but come on it's not today not tomorrow you're all free so sane and sensible i know social which we'll see anyway we talked about the british stay calm carry on not seem to be the message from quadriga this week we've been discussing these refugee camps with life i probably should.
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